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Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

To my ears, I would disagree. I find the 73T to be perfect with both highs and lows and a well presented mid range. I suppose it also depends what type of music you listen to. with my prog rock and heavy/thrash metal there is plenty of higfh end detail without harshness. I can now listen to my system for hours without fatigue.

I'm into prog rock, and I find it just right for it! Please check out my review on it! A good example would be "Yes" "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" can usually result in bleeding ears on some players, but the CD73T seems to have a lovely roll off in treble which reduces the ear grating sound from that guitar solo, and yet it can do the immense starts and stops required to deliver the punch from the great guitar riff.

I'll dig out my copy of 90125 tomorrow, thanks for the tip. I might even do a comparison from CD to Vinyl. is your copy a remasterd or original CD?

Pike900fish:

Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

To my ears, I would disagree. I find the 73T to be perfect with both highs and lows and a well presented mid range. I suppose it also depends what type of music you listen to. with my prog rock and heavy/thrash metal there is plenty of higfh end detail without harshness. I can now listen to my system for hours without fatigue.

I'm into prog rock, and I find it just right for it! Please check out my review on it! A good example would be "Yes" "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" can usually result in bleeding ears on some players, but the CD73T seems to have a lovely roll off in treble which reduces the ear grating sound from that guitar solo, and yet it can do the immense starts and stops required to deliver the punch from the great guitar riff.

I'll dig out my copy of 90125 tomorrow, thanks for the tip. I might even do a comparison from CD to Vinyl. is your copy a remasterd or original CD?

Mine's the Atco 1984 CD version sadly, but I will buy the Rhino Re-master soon (neither do I have the vinyl!!! idiot, me!) but the difference according to a mate is quite slim, so if you have the re-master then that shouldn't be much different. And please listen to it, it's a great hi-fi tester! I'm currently listening to Close To The Edge at the moment, but I feel Dark Side Of The Moon is coming out in a moment!

"Hello, is that Southern Electric? Yes, could you please feed another 20,000 volts to my bedroom? 'Cause my amp needs it tonight!"

Once you've had a "full" sound from your setup, with decent low and mid frequency reproduction... and then you remove it by changing to speakers with lesser emphesis on these characteristics, your music will never sound right again - in my opinion. 

To me, this is the very heart and soul of the music - no amount of detail, seperation or improved staging can make up for this.   Sure, you can upgrade to speakers with good LF/MF and detail etc, but removing good LF/MF will always have you pining for it.   No amount of running in will change that!

 

 

jbadman:

Once you've had a "full" sound from your setup, with decent low and mid frequency reproduction... and then you remove it by changing to speakers with lesser emphesis on these characteristics, your music will never sound right again - in my opinion. 

To me, this is the very heart and soul of the music - no amount of detail, seperation or improved staging can make up for this.   Sure, you can upgrade to speakers with good LF/MF and detail etc, but removing good LF/MF will always have you pining for it.   No amount of running in will change that!

 

 

Probably the wisest words I have heard anyone on here ever say IMO.

a.g.:

dasherdiablo1:

I've just got a pair of 11L2's to use in our bedroom with my old denon separates, they still need running in, but they sound fantastic! Inceredibly detailed and plenty of oomfff for that environment. I also listened to them with my cyrus system and they sound excellent...all be it a too weak for the main system.

Interesting... did you find the sound to be a bit bright? I'm considering a Cyrus CD6se to use with my Quad 12L2s. What did you dislike about the sound, if anything? Give the speakers a few weeks to run in, they sound less "boxed in" after a while.

 

I had a Cyrus CD8, 8 Integrated with some Quad 11Ls a few years back. The Quad and Cyrus worked lovely together.

Funnily enough, I sold my 11Ls to a mate as they went down well with his wife in the looks dept also. He partnered them with some Arcam gear and they sounded awful. Really 'woolly' with nowhere near as much exctiement or detail as the Cyrus combo served up. Of course, this isnt having a go at the electronics, but to my ears, the Arcam and Quads just didnt blend well.

thfcwestlower:

Funnily enough, I sold my 11Ls to a mate as they went down well with his wife in the looks dept also. He partnered them with some Arcam gear and they sounded awful. Really 'woolly' with nowhere near as much exctiement or detail as the Cyrus combo served up. Of course, this isnt having a go at the electronics, but to my ears, the Arcam and Quads just didnt blend well.

(sarcasm mode on)
Well, I'd never have guessed!
(sarcasm mode off)

If you're not sure what I'm on about, check out my thread about interconnects in the Accessories forum. Glad I'm not the only person who's had a bad Arcam/Quad experience.

It does make me laugh all this Arcams aren't detailed, wooly, bass light, boring business.

 

Ask Survivor whether he thought mine were any of those things. 

i don't understand the remarks above re cyrus and quad - as both are known to be bright and sound awful together in my opinion - the hf are all over the place - the quad arcam set up is far better a lot smoother and warmer - biggest prob by far is these speakers aren't exciting but they are detailed and clinical - def not a party speaker - more of a chilled out listen. the other thing i would say is postioning makes a massive difference with these prob more than a lot of speakers i have played with - i find they need to be far cloaser together than a lot of spekaers and to placed in free space absolute minimum of 30cm from any walls and pref quite a bit more.

my experience is with the 12l2s which i own and run with arcam kit - maybe the ls didn't suffer from a slightly bright top end

ag i think even when you get your cyrus cdp that you may still be disapointed with the speakers - i'm guessing they may not be your cup of tea and you may find that its them and not your choice in cdp. However what i would say is buy some stands quick and position then properly - i don't know how you have them now but if they are on a desk or shelf or close to a wall they will sound shocking!!!

Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

To my ears, I would disagree. I find the 73T to be perfect with both highs and lows and a well presented mid range. I suppose it also depends what type of music you listen to. with my prog rock and heavy/thrash metal there is plenty of higfh end detail without harshness. I can now listen to my system for hours without fatigue.

I'm into prog rock, and I find it just right for it! Please check out my review on it! A good example would be "Yes" "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" can usually result in bleeding ears on some players, but the CD73T seems to have a lovely roll off in treble which reduces the ear grating sound from that guitar solo, and yet it can do the immense starts and stops required to deliver the punch from the great guitar riff.

I'll dig out my copy of 90125 tomorrow, thanks for the tip. I might even do a comparison from CD to Vinyl. is your copy a remasterd or original CD?

Mine's the Atco 1984 CD version sadly, but I will buy the Rhino Re-master soon (neither do I have the vinyl!!! idiot, me!) but the difference according to a mate is quite slim, so if you have the re-master then that shouldn't be much different. And please listen to it, it's a great hi-fi tester! I'm currently listening to Close To The Edge at the moment, but I feel Dark Side Of The Moon is coming out in a moment!

"Hello, is that Southern Electric? Yes, could you please feed another 20,000 volts to my bedroom? 'Cause my amp needs it tonight!"

Are you sure that's what you're up to Egor?

gpi:

Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

To my ears, I would disagree. I find the 73T to be perfect with both highs and lows and a well presented mid range. I suppose it also depends what type of music you listen to. with my prog rock and heavy/thrash metal there is plenty of higfh end detail without harshness. I can now listen to my system for hours without fatigue.

I'm into prog rock, and I find it just right for it! Please check out my review on it! A good example would be "Yes" "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" can usually result in bleeding ears on some players, but the CD73T seems to have a lovely roll off in treble which reduces the ear grating sound from that guitar solo, and yet it can do the immense starts and stops required to deliver the punch from the great guitar riff.

I'll dig out my copy of 90125 tomorrow, thanks for the tip. I might even do a comparison from CD to Vinyl. is your copy a remasterd or original CD?

Mine's the Atco 1984 CD version sadly, but I will buy the Rhino Re-master soon (neither do I have the vinyl!!! idiot, me!) but the difference according to a mate is quite slim, so if you have the re-master then that shouldn't be much different. And please listen to it, it's a great hi-fi tester! I'm currently listening to Close To The Edge at the moment, but I feel Dark Side Of The Moon is coming out in a moment!

"Hello, is that Southern Electric? Yes, could you please feed another 20,000 volts to my bedroom? 'Cause my amp needs it tonight!"

Are you sure that's what you're up to Egor?

Yep.

matengawhat:

ag i think even when you get your cyrus cdp that you may still be disapointed with the speakers - i'm guessing they may not be your cup of tea and you may find that its them and not your choice in cdp. However what i would say is buy some stands quick and position then properly - i don't know how you have them now but if they are on a desk or shelf or close to a wall they will sound shocking!!!

At the moment I have them on cheap-n-nasty stands which I can't wait to upgrade. I agree, putting them on an actual bookshelf would be blasphemous...

I am not currently disappointed with them, I am very pleased with them but I need to get the positioning right because I sit pretty close to them and at the moment they are rather far apart. They are about 30cm from the wall and still sound a bit boomy - I'm hoping some decent stands will tighten the bass up.

I've not decided which CDP I'm getting - or even when I'm getting one. Let's not forget that treble detail and brightness are two different things...

Hughes123:

gpi:

Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

Hughes123:

Pike900fish:

To my ears, I would disagree. I find the 73T to be perfect with both highs and lows and a well presented mid range. I suppose it also depends what type of music you listen to. with my prog rock and heavy/thrash metal there is plenty of higfh end detail without harshness. I can now listen to my system for hours without fatigue.

I'm into prog rock, and I find it just right for it! Please check out my review on it! A good example would be "Yes" "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" can usually result in bleeding ears on some players, but the CD73T seems to have a lovely roll off in treble which reduces the ear grating sound from that guitar solo, and yet it can do the immense starts and stops required to deliver the punch from the great guitar riff.

I'll dig out my copy of 90125 tomorrow, thanks for the tip. I might even do a comparison from CD to Vinyl. is your copy a remasterd or original CD?

Mine's the Atco 1984 CD version sadly, but I will buy the Rhino Re-master soon (neither do I have the vinyl!!! idiot, me!) but the difference according to a mate is quite slim, so if you have the re-master then that shouldn't be much different. And please listen to it, it's a great hi-fi tester! I'm currently listening to Close To The Edge at the moment, but I feel Dark Side Of The Moon is coming out in a moment!

"Hello, is that Southern Electric? Yes, could you please feed another 20,000 volts to my bedroom? 'Cause my amp needs it tonight!"

Are you sure that's what you're up to Egor?

Yep.